Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

topic posted Thu, December 21, 2006 - 9:20 AM by  Abe
Just got done renting the whole first episode of Rome. It amazes me that the producers went into such detail to try to get props and settings as close to the real thing as possible by hiring a historian, who would check references etc...
check:
www.hbo.com/Rome

However much of the story seems to be highly stylized with extreme happenings, such as incest, lesbianism, murder, and plenty of S**. I understand some of these things were common place, but still we can't attribute the characters for having done such things.
Such as Cleopatra being impregnated by a common Roman Soldier.
Overall I thought it was excellent and a highly sophisticated version--very impressive.
Anyone else?
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    Thu, December 21, 2006 - 1:33 PM
    I was sort of impressed with the accuracy of the sets -aka, it was almost unique, along with Caligula in not portraying Rome as a bare marble city. Then again, costume and sets is all that modern film makers are good at any more. Some of the ritual practises were accurate, if anachronistic (aka, the Taraboulium came rather later) and added in for shock effect. The use of Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo, who were actual historical personages recorded in Julius' diaries, was also fairly clever, even if they were portrayed completely inaccurately.

    The portrayal of Atia of the Julii as a doltish slut is, of course, preposterous. As are almost all of the other characterizations, excepting perhaps that of Lucius Vorenus, who more resembled Roman character than most of the others. Basically, Hollyweird made ancient Rome seem almost identical to modern day Los Angeles, which is a place like no other place on earth (Angelinos, like all Californians, are preposterously provincial; they think the whole world is just like them, or at best are trying to fake as if they are not just like slimey Angelinos). From the idiotic "coctail party" scenes, to the rug-munching hippy fruitcake Octavia; they even made up Julius (played by a mick) to look like a jewish studio head. They also made the famous Roman senators look like a bunch of bozo chicken-chested studio moneymen, caught up in a hostile takeover.

    Despite all this, I found it amusing to watch, moderated by enormous quantities of wine, and watched with a historian friend. That way you can sneer at the really bad parts, and enjoy the whole "sword and sandal" campiness of it all. I mean, at least John Milius was involved, so it was not completely devoid of human qualities, like, say, Oliver Stone's preposterous fruity Alexander (yes, we know Alexander liked fucking men: that doesn't mean he was one of the village people, dumbass) or Wolfgang Petersen's Troy (aka, Homeric epic goes "Fame").
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      Thu, December 21, 2006 - 7:30 PM
      Thanks Lupo, you put it very well. Yes Atia was overly shameless and seemed a bit too set on sex as a weapon....It just made me wonder about stuff like VD. Is there any mention of any cures or any epidemics of VD going around in those days? It just seems with all the rampant sex going on in prostitution camps, illicit lovers etc and no penicillin the nasty stuff would've been everywhere and people would be a lot more careful with who they did it with.
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        Fri, December 22, 2006 - 6:13 PM
        "It just made me wonder about stuff like VD. Is there any mention of any cures or any epidemics of VD going around in those days?"

        The history of disease is a fascinating one which is almost never, ever spoken of. I don't know why people don't talk about it. Despite a complete lack of qualifications on the subject, I've considered trying to fill the yawning vacuum in popular books on this.

        VD in Rome was pretty much restricted to urinary tract diseases, like gonorrhea (a term coined by Galen, meaning "flow of seed"). Now a days, such diseases are cured with a shot of antibiotics. Then, they were the leading causes of blindness (why children get silver nitrate in the eyes when they are born), infertility (a big deal when your status depends on family) and death. Sexual mores evolved, basically, to deal with VD. Which is why almost all societies have a similar set of sexual mores, Samoan practical jokes on Margaret Mead aside. It's textbook sociobiological evolution; "loose" societies don't reproduce. It remains true today, alas.

        The thing about Atia is we know rather a lot about what she was like, and how the average Roman matron of her rank behaved. The reason, for example, scandal mongers like Tacitus would make a big deal out of someone acting like this is because such behavior was, in fact, incredibly scandalous to high society Romans. The ideals of Roman Catholicism are a better crystalization of Roman sexual mores than the stuff portrayed in popular film.
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          Wed, December 27, 2006 - 10:10 AM
          <<The history of disease is a fascinating one which is almost never, ever spoken of. I don't know why people don't talk about it. Despite a complete lack of qualifications on the subject, I've considered trying to fill the yawning vacuum in popular books on this.>>

          I would suggest 'Plagues and Peoples' by William McNeill. It doesn't focus on VD, but is more of an overview of how infectious disease has shaped human populations & behavior. Still, there is quite a bit about sexually trasmitted diseases.


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            Thu, December 28, 2006 - 8:40 AM
            Thanks, I think I've actually read that (many years ago). I am less keen on "interpretive" history (which is often bosh), as I am on, for example, the actual practises used to deal with Smallpox since it spread from europe in 700 or so AD. I guess I'd more be looking for a "medical history book" than a "sociological history book."
            The one I really enjoyed in this vein was, "Devils, Drugs and Doctors" by Howard W. Haggard. Unfortunately, it was written several decades before the invention of antibiotics. I would have liked to know more about parasitology as well.

            I've recently begun collecting primary sources in that era of western medicine; it's quite amusing what people used for remedies, or thought were the causes of diseases even 100 years ago (slapping the dolphin, or just plain having sex too often caused all kinds of problems according to Edwardian doctors). On the other hand, it is quite amusing what they got right as well.

            -Lupo
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              Thu, December 28, 2006 - 11:01 AM
              Perhaps diseases weren't as strong as they are now and maybe people used protection, however crude they may have been, such as sheep skin or something...I've had gonorrhea once and it's one of the worst things that can ever happen to a man, I just can't imagine the ancients not having a cure for it.
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                Fri, December 29, 2006 - 12:43 PM
                "Perhaps diseases weren't as strong as they are now and maybe people used protection, however crude they may have been, such as sheep skin or something..."

                I believe condoms were to be had by some cultures, but they were not used for disease protection (they were actually dried out and washed -t least in Casanova's day, where they made better barrier contraception than, say, cow dung diaphragms). Nor were diseases less strong than today. The fact of the matter is, people in those days (in successful cultures anyway) were actually a lot more sexually continent than we moderns are for that very reason, and you are very very lucky to live in the 21st century. Remember: the clap would kill you. KILL YOU. You'd die by basically pissing your innards out your ding dong. And if you managed to live and be a carrier, your kids would all be blind, and you'd die a pauper with a sore schlong as a result.

                I think this is the core reason there are so few popular medical history books. The prevailing tendency is to look upon ye golden olden days with a great deal of nostalgia. "Wisdom of the ancients" is such a common phrase, I bet the germans have a word for it. But the real fact of things is that life was desperate, brutal and short in them days.

                I'm presently reading some old books on ladies etiquette and "eugenics" (aka picking a husband) from the early 20th century, which is still before antibiotics. The VD and morality stuff is as expected, but even the sections on diseases like scarlet fever and typhus are incredibly horrifying. But, that's how people lived. Disease was far more important to daily human life than, say, the wars which fill the history books.

                By the way, this is one of the reasons I just sort of sneer when people whine about the desperate dangers we face from "bioterrorism" or epidemics of flu or whatever. Humanity has survived far worse, even in very recent years.

                -Lupo
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                  Fri, December 29, 2006 - 4:47 PM
                  I find it hard to believe that ancient peoples were more chaste when we are today, certainly not if we are to judge by the practice of prostitution.

                  www.answers.com/topic/reli...rostitution

                  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitute

                  Studying Plutarch's biographies, I don't notice any general tendency toward abstinence. For example, the fact that the Greek statesman Pericles lived openly with a mistress at the height of his career suggests at least a grudging acceptance of the practice. Shortly before his death, the Athenian assembly did him the great favor of allowing his illegitimate son to become a citizen . . . surely they were something less than outraged by his infidelities.

                  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles

                  As for why VD didn't cause many great plagues in the ancient world, I don't know. The Hebrew Bible prescribes circumcision and ritual cleansing, besides warning sternly against loose women. Nonetheless, it is recorded that the Israelites "committed whoredom with the daughters of Moab" (Numbers 25:1), for which reason the Lord smote them with a plague. "And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand." (Numbers 25:9)

                  Tthe Roman physician Aulus Cornelius Celsus (1st Century A.D.) prescribed for the treatment of VD a mixture of pepper, myrrh, saffron, cooked antimony sulfide, and copper oxide. Any doctor who prescribed such a witch's brew today would certainly be accused of malpractice, so I guess we'll never know how well it worked.

                  www.copper.org/innovation...-chest.html
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                    Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

                    Tue, January 2, 2007 - 1:44 PM
                    "Roman physician Aulus Cornelius Celsus (1st Century A.D.) prescribed for the treatment of VD a mixture of pepper, myrrh, saffron, cooked antimony sulfide, and copper oxide. Any doctor who prescribed such a witch's brew today would certainly be accused of malpractice, so I guess we'll never know how well it worked. "

                    For what it is worth, heavy metals and their oxides actually are somewhat effective against venereal diseases. The pepper and saffron may have acted as a sort of cauterizing agent, so there may have been a role for those things as well, if only to reduce painful inflammation to enable urination.

                    Prostitutes have always been with us, and will always fulfill a useful social function; slaking the sexual appetites of single men (who, even today, generally die young). That doesn't mean ancient people behaved like modern day residents of Los Angeles. Angelinos don't go to prostitutes; they just pass themselves around like trays of tea biscuits.

                    I think what we know about epidemiology and the clap pretty much tells us outright that the ancients from successful cultures were indeed more chaste than we moderns. Sumerians, for example, who were arguably a randy bunch, were destroyed by subsequent civilizations. People have made the argument that the reason the French did so badly in the wars of Napoleon III and after against the Germans were the Frogs were all laid up with syphilis. The germans have been known since the time of Tacitus at least to be extremely monogamous; compared to, say, the British or Italians, they still are.

                    I don't think these cultural evolutionary pressures exist any more, thanks to antibiotics. It's not like americans make worse soldiers than pashtuns because 1/4 of americans have herpes.

                    -Lupo
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                      Tue, January 2, 2007 - 5:43 PM
                      I don't see any reason to suppose that the Babylonians were more chaste than the Sumerians. Certainly, conquest is no evidence; all of them were conquered sooner or later. The Babylon of the Chaldeans is much denounced for its wickedness in the Bible, so much that "Babylon" became a synonym for "any center of luxury and wickedness," as Webster puts it. This was the city of Belshazzar, who was weighed in the balance and found wanting. (Daniel 5:27)

                      Herodotus records one old Babylonian custom, which he found shameful: "Every woman who is a native of of the country must once in her life go and sit in the temple of Aphrodite and there give herself to a strange man." He says that there was a similar custom in parts of Cyprus.

                      I question the supposed profligacy of France in the 19th Century, France being a strictly Catholic country. As for Germany, I'd say it was largely a matter of hypocrisy: Servant girls from the countryside who came to work in the city commonly became the sexual property of the men of the household. When they became pregnant, they had the distressing habit of throwing themselves in the river, so much so that a rescue society was founded in Berlin by charitable persons to fish them out again. Berlin also had a flourishing gay community, famously described by Christopher Isherwood.

                      I would attribute the victory of Moltke over Napleon III to entirely different factors: For one thing, Moltke was simply a better soldier. Also, he had the benefit of Krupp, Clausewitz and the Prussian General Staff, which was unique in the world. And, not to overlook the obvious, Germany was a more populous country than France and, thanks to universal conscription, had a much larger army: "The sheer number of soldiers available made mass-encirclement and destruction of enemy formations advantageous."

                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran...ing_forces

                      However, we are straying away from the original topic, the Roman Empire:

                      It is true that Roman matrons were expected to remain faithful, but this was not always observed in practice. (Julia, the daughter of Augustus, was a notorious wanton, as was Messalina, the wife of Claudius, and some others I could name.) The availability of prostitutes and slaves made easy sex a temptation for men.

                      According to Suetonius, Augustus Caesar tried to reform the loose sexual habits of the Romans through a new law, but "he found himself unable to make it effective because of an open revolt against several of its clauses." Augustus was himself famous for being a lady's man. Suetonius also records a letter to him from Mark Anthony:

                      "What has come over you? Do you object to my sleeping with Cleopatra? But we are married; and it is not even as though this were anything new -- the affair started nine years ago. And what about you? Are you faithful to Livia Drusilla? My congratulations if, when this letter arrives, you have not been in bed with Tertullia, or Terentilla, or Rufilla, or Slavia Titisenia -- or all of them. Does it really matter who so much where, or with whom, you perform the sexual act?"





                      • Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

                        Tue, January 2, 2007 - 6:33 PM
                        I'm not going to defend the VD = victory of Bismarck thing; I only point it out as an item of interest. The relatively high percentage of Frenchmen with "the french pox" is a fairly well documented historical fact, however. I believe it is documented in WW-1 era in the official british history, but it is a nightmare finding such things in that monstrosity.

                        As for Rome: sure, there is the example of Messilina and Julia -but they were serious scandals, not the norm at all. That's why, as I said, the characterization of Atia is completely preposterous. Yes, men, particularly upper class men, were more randy than women: so it has always been. Men are also equipped with plumbing which makes venereal disease less likely and less dangerous to their future fertility. Porking a prostitute would still be a pretty bad idea, which is why just about every culture today, abrahamic or not, has moral imprecations against such behavior.

                        It is an interesting academic question whether or not the early Babylonians were more chaste than the Sumerians at the time of the conquest. I suspect they were; I can't think of any pastorialist society which is particularly promiscuous. Compare the modern Masai tribes to city dwelling africans, for example. Then, I bet the Masai stop being the way they are when they cease drinking bull's blood and milk, and take up beer and ciggies in the big cities.

                        -Lupo
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                          Wed, January 3, 2007 - 12:56 PM
                          The Rome series is entertainment, and any historical accuracy is gravy . . . but there is lots of gravy. Great attention is paid to an accurate picture of daily life in Rome. The portraits of the great men -- Caesar, Pompey, Brutus, etc. -- are very striking. On another level, we see a kind of fantasy soap opera in which people -- Atia, Timon, Volenus -- run around scheming and sleeping with each other. This latter group consists of people who are scantly described by historians or else complete inventions. Sometimes the great men get involved in their adventures as well, as when the young Octavian befriends (of all people) Titus Pullo.

                          "Rome" follows the old tradition of historical drama founded by Shakespeare, where we see great men like Prince Hal mixed up in the gutter life of people like Falstaff and Mistress Quickly. The historian may resent such fictionalization, but he should acknowledge that Shakespeare was putting back in the history things that were taken out of it, because nobody bothered to write them down. It might have happened that way, things like that did happen, but there is no real way of reconstructing it.

                          Sometimes fiction is more true than history. We know much of what we know about daily life in Greece and Rome because it was described by comic playwrights and satirists. This passed beneath the attention of serious historians, so it enters the history books indirectly, through the field of literature.

                          One problem with literature, is that it may reflect the world of the author more than that of the ostensible subject. Shakespeare didn't know all that much about life in the 15th Century, but he knew LOTS about the 17th, which is lovingly described in his plays.

                          Another problem is that real history is too complicated: it has too many characters. Everyone who survived WW2 had a story to tell, but literature has to focus on a few characters and follow their story. In order to tell the whole story, you sometimes have to lump people together. In a WW2 drama, you might have some stage direction like: "Enter stage left, Arrogant Prussian General." The Arrogant Prussian General may bear the name of someone like Manstein, Keitel or Rommel, who may not have resembled the APG very closely and not actually have done the things the APG is shown to be doing. He is a "type," a composite character and is there to represent all those APGs who didn't make it into the show.

                          Concerning Atia, we actually know very little about her. Tacitus describes her as a model Roman mother, but this may be something of a hagiography: He was writing after her son Augustus was deified. (Was the Virgin Mary a model mother? Well, maybe . . . but who is going to say she wasn't?) Suetonius adds a few details concerning her ancestry. He says that Augustus was devoted to her, that she counseled him against taking up Caesar's legacy, and that she died when he was 20. This person bears hardly any resemblance to the HBO Atia, who schemes incessantly, sleeps around and carries on a bitter feud with Servilia, the mother of Brutus. "Atia" does, however, resemble Fulvia, the wife of Marc Anthony, a fascinating character who unfortunately isn't in the script.

                          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulvia

                          So, we must recognize "Atia" as a composite character, a "type": the Scheming Roman Matron, already familiar to us from "I, Claudius". She is there to represent Fulvia and the other SRMs who didn't make it into the show.

                          As for whether Atia, the ideal mother described by Tacitus is more real than "Atia," the composite SRM, I believe that neither should be considered typical of Rome: Women are a very large and diverse group, in all times and places, and most of them don't fit closely any ideal standard or "type."


                          • Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

                            Sun, January 7, 2007 - 8:49 PM
                            I don't subscribe to HBO, but whilst visiting the local video store found the boxed set on offer and since I like ancient history bought it without really knowing what i was letting myself in for.

                            I found the series quite captivating and could barely stop watching it, not just because of the proverbial skirt but because the imagery and attention to detail conformed to all my expectations of what it really must have been like.

                            Probably the most important aspect of the series is the fact that it is not hollwoodesque as others may suggest. This was a collabration between the BBC and HBO and as anyone who watches UK programming will tell you a great deal of time and energy is generally invested in making period dramas as authentic as practically possible.

                            Having also watched all the collateral material that came with the boxed set really just reinforced my sense that this is a pretty true to fact series based as much of the written evidence available that the series' writers could get their hands on. Bearing mind that good drama is not made out of dull mundane day in day out descriptors of life, the series is of course peppered with everything from gory battles to the proverbial 5ex scenes. www.bbc.co.uk/drama/rome/ The series comes across as a dramatic presentation of national geographic style proportions.

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                        Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

                        Mon, December 31, 2007 - 12:11 PM
                        Like your comments... You might be interested in the book "Courtesans and Fishcakes: The Consuming Passions of Classical Athens" by James Davidson.
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                  Mon, October 1, 2007 - 9:17 AM
                  Absolutely agree Lupo, I am so lucky to have been born in our Modern day and age, when our main concerns don't have to be dying from starvation or disease.
                  Things are getting much better for most people in the World, Thank Heaven.
            • Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

              Thu, December 28, 2006 - 8:44 PM
              Yeah, McNeill gets really speculative at times, but it's thought-provoking at least. "Rats, Lice and History" by Hans Zinsser might be more up your alley, as it's a history of typhus written by a biologist lovingly studying lice.

              As far as ancient hygiene, I seem to recall that being too clean in Western Europe during the Dark Ages could get you accused of being a Jew. I can't recall where I read that, so take that with what salt you will.
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    Thu, December 21, 2006 - 7:28 PM
    Speaking of historically accurate...
    During the series, Vorenus orates while using some (what are to my modern eyes) odd hand gestures and body stances. I went looking on the web to see if I could find out the meaning of the poses, but couldn't acheive my objective. Can anyone explain the gestures and stances used in the show?
    Thanks in advance
  • Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

    Fri, January 12, 2007 - 9:13 PM
    >Sexual mores evolved, basically, to deal with VD. Which is why almost all societies have a similar set of sexual mores
    >The fact of the matter is, people in those days (in successful cultures anyway) were actually a lot more sexually continent than we moderns are for that very reason

    After the onslaught of both sexually and non-sexually transmitted diseases that were created or amplified by increased population density, the classical world was left with a much reduced population and a culture dominated by anti-sexual, death-embracing Christianity (and a similarly unworldly Buddhism farther east). It is true that successful cultures were more sexually continent, if you note that classical culture was ultimately unsuccessful.

    >I can't think of any pastorialist (sic) society which is particularly promiscuous

    There's not much opportunity as a small band out on the range, if you don't count the sheep and cows.
  • Re: Thoughts on HBO series "Rome"

    Wed, January 31, 2007 - 5:17 PM
    I find my self dissatisfied with the portrait of Brutus, begging his way around Asia Minor like a drugged-out hippie . . . to begin with, Brutus was a bookworm, but he was also a robust man and a bold warrior . . . there survives a picture of Brutus, stamped on a coin: He looks to be a head taller than everyone else, likely to stand out in any crowd . . .

    We know what Brutus actually did after the death of Caesar: He went to Athens, where he was greeted with much enthusiasm and public honors. Out of pretense or genuine interest, he engaged in literary and philosophical pursuits, but secretly, he was gathering money and troops to challenge Anthony. He rallied Pompey's troops, who were still wandering around, and seized a stash of weapons which Caesar had collected for a campaign against Parthia . . . starting with nothing, within a few months, he had an army and a fleet behind him . . . Brutus didn't whine, he got down to business . . .

    On the other hand, the dispute between Anthony and Octavian, who fought over Caesar's inheritance, was well depicted, and I liked the portrait of Cicero, who defected to Octavian while sending scathing letters back to Anthony . . . Brutus complained that Cicero did not object to any tyrant, but only one who hated him . . .
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      Mon, February 5, 2007 - 3:22 PM
      Forrest wrote:

      "I find my self dissatisfied with the portrait of Brutus, begging his way around Asia Minor like a drugged-out hippie . . . to begin with, Brutus was a bookworm, but he was also a robust man and a bold warrior . "

      I agree; the historical Brutus was given the shaft in this production. But, as I said, so were most of the Great Romans. Julius looked and acted like a studio mogul, IMO. Mark Antony acted like a scatterbrained little organ grinder (I liked this Mark Antony portrayal anyway; he was the most human of them all). Pompey was a fat advertising exec, caught in a hostile takeover. The chicken chested portrayal of Cato and weasely Cicero were pretty horrifying also. Really, the only proper romans in the thing were Octavian and the two plebs and their womenfolk.

      -Lupo
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        Mon, February 5, 2007 - 8:17 PM
        Caesar: Highly personable, thoroughly autocratic, professed friend of the people (and of everyone) . . . I thought it fit . . .

        Mark Athony: An intemperate and headstrong man, very charismatic, lacking any sense for government . . . I bought it . . .

        Pompey: Comes across like a has-been actor trying for a comeback. Sentimental, uncertain and weepy . . . the real Pompey was a lion, there was a reason he was the only one they called "the Great" . . . and he was only a few years older than Julius . . . I didn't go for it . . .

        Cato: Cranky old man, a lion in the Senate, a klutz on the battlefield . . . he was Servilla's brother and Brutus's uncle, relationships that didn't get developed much . . .

        Cicero: A man of words, not deeds, brilliant speaker, but . . . there was a reason the conspirators against Julius didn't include him in their plot . . . aligned himself with Octavian rather than Brutus . . . "He imagined that he was adding Caesar's power to his own political influence," said Plutarch . . . with that he earned his reward: having his head and hands cut off and displayed in the forum . . .

        (Oops, did I just write a "spoiler"? Maybe . . . sometimes they follow the history books, and sometimes they don't . . . )
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        Mon, March 26, 2007 - 9:58 PM
        >>Really, the only proper romans in the thing were Octavian and the two plebs and their womenfolk.

        Octavian comes across like a smiling psychopath. All his moralizing is flagrantly hypocritical; the series also makes him out to be a sexual sadist who slept with his own sister. Some of this may even be true, depending on how much of Suetonius you believe . . . but this version of Octavian seems to be about 1/3 Caligula. One thing they got right: Ocatavian was a brilliant politician and manipulator of people. He didn't so much overthrow the Republic as subvert it, taking all the previously independent offices under his personal control.
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    Mon, March 26, 2007 - 9:41 PM
    "Rome" was highly entertaining. Not historically accurate, of course, but fun nonetheless.

    I was more interested in the sets and costumes, and how the producers brought the daily life of a typical Roman to life (I obsessed on the food for a while, but I'm over it now). I would rather read about real events, as Hollywood would just fuck it up anyway.
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    Tue, September 25, 2007 - 12:32 AM
    Having studied quite a lot of the history of Rome, I enjoyed the first and second seasons of "Rome," very much ! Will probably watch it over and over over the next few years....

    I don't know really one way or another, yet, re accuracies of the characters and story-line, such as debated here, but overall I think it is important to point out that much of the production takes place in (Rome) Italy, and involves a great deal of Italian expert input.

    Being that it so well done, and considering that what is left for us in history books, and particularly that the authors of such books in their times had reasons for describing characters the way they did (such as Atia, Augustus, Octavia,...), are understandably partial views of history, this production has shed a great deal of new light (not to say it is necessarily "the truth) for me to reflect on the history of rome and the world....

    A MUST SEE imo...

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