Movies: who here avoids

topic posted Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:35 PM by  Randy

I have completely refused to watch "The 300" because of the blatant commercial ism
of its writing and trying to warp the near 200 year history into a
cliff notes for action addicts slammed onto cellulous.

Does anyone else here make movie watching a hard choice with any movie that is
history *inspired*?

Randy
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Randy
San Diego
  • Re: Movies: who here avoids

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 3:23 PM
    I could name some war movies. The worst that comes to mind is "The Battle of the Bulge" (1965). Scarcely any resemblance to history, and to save money, it was shot in Ft. Hood, Texas . . . that's where the tanks were, but the desert landscape doesn't look even slightly like the Ardennes.
    • Re: Movies: who here avoids

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:40 PM
      Battle of Algiers << now how about that movie.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...ers_(film)
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        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 8:06 PM
        The "Battle of Algiers" gives a very detailed and realistic account of successful French counter-insurgency operations early in the war, and then tacks on an ending, years later, when the French are expelled. Up until the last five minutes, it looks like the French are winning. However, I think most people get the message that the French were expelled because they alienated the population through overly harsh counterinsurgency methods.
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          Wed, May 14, 2008 - 12:43 PM
          I haven't been to a movie of any kind in going on three years.
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            Wed, May 14, 2008 - 11:59 PM
            Josh
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            Re: Movies: who here avoidsToday, 12:43 PM
            I haven't been to a movie of any kind in going on three years.
            *******&
            And try, mon ami Josh, thinking more broadly. I am a huge fan of some mediums, which
            gets me some raised eye brows of course.
            Take for instance Felix the Cat, Casper the Ghost, Mickey da Mouse, Bugs Bunny, and any
            other cartoons of the Max Flescher era or before, and watch closely..... you will see the
            anti-semitism >> a little, the racial attittudes, isolationism, scare tactics of fear of the foreign savages < Germans, (confusion of Gernans equals Huns), Asian anti-sentements,
            or confusions, Islanders or Polynesians seen as barbaric, Indians as ruthless.
            These protrals are not just for light hearted humor but representifve of the times.

            Remember the ease with which the Japanese were stripped of their rights and incarcerated in camps after the Pearl Harbor attack?
            The rather positive , or at least tolerate attitudes toward Germans even going into the
            WWII? not to meaniton before, despite the grip Hitler had in driving Nazism through all
            thinking?

            The visual medium of cartoons, or movies such as DVDs show much that
            our modern world is attempting in our schools to forget, ie. The Gentlemen's Agreement
            with...Gregory Peck
            www.imdb.com/title/tt0039416/
            Showing the hidden undercurrent of anti-semitism despite the "liberal" and enlightened
            attitudes of the time ( ruse, tokenism, can you spell Jim Crow Laws al la Jewism)

            To totally change the pupit pounding on race, how about a wonderful documentary on
            Marshall South and his family that moved to Anza Borrengo ; Ghost Mountain and
            lived from the 30's to the 40's or 50's , ending in his divorce because of the harsh
            isolation of the desert and its effects on his wife's psyche.
            Such movies are powerfully poinant, and visceral in their realism and HONESTY,
            Some of the History Channel shows are amazing, such as the one on CHE,
            and showing how he resembled the 'anti-hero ' of the movie Battle of Algiers", He, CHE
            was both hated, feared and also loved by many, in fact hardly can one walk the streets of some American cities without having ever seen a Che t-shirt or cap, such was
            this enigmas effect on the meme of poltics.

            < sighing deeply and departs the soap box>
            :)
            Give some thought to look at a show, T.V. documentary or even a cartoon for
            its commentary of its time, zeitghest, and Era-meme .

            It will move you to ponder "HOW DID WE REALLY GET HERE?"

            Randy
            *******
            • Re: Movies: who here avoids

              Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:05 AM
              300 is purely theatrical, I just watched it for Men in leather loincloths.
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                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 7:51 PM

                Oh Contrair, it is very very historical.....just like the documentary "Jack and the Beanstalk."

                Randy
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                  Mon, June 23, 2008 - 3:12 PM
                  One movie I saw recently that put a bullet in my gutt was "The Kingdom of Heaven" with Liam Neilson and Orlando Bloom. In it they portrayed Bloom's character as a kind hearted man with a quest to find the meaning in life and having his sins forgiven. I later learned that he was actually quite cruel and wagered to kill all 3000 muslims and desecrate the Muslim holy places in Jerusalem if Saladin did not garantee safe passage to the sea. Nonetheless the scenery and war scenes were very amazing and looked realistic.
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                    Re: Movies: who here avoids

                    Tue, June 24, 2008 - 1:14 AM

                    I tend to be quiet happy watching "historical" movies which are a load of bunk, including "The Kingdom of Heaven" . And although their depiction of characters (and organisations) within the movie was grossly distorted - it was still a great yarn :)
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                      Thu, June 26, 2008 - 6:25 AM
                      *Kingdom of Heaven* I suspect was far more accurate than *300*, but
                      the one I saw last week, oh wow.
                      Pinochet's Last stand* the casting for Pinochet, Thatcher and a few others was great.
                      Then there is Battle of Algiers* which did not spare to have the main protagonists
                      portrayed as heroic & monsterous in the same brush, with differing strokes of that
                      brush.
                      The penchant for the Orientals to dramatize so much of their cinema makes
                      any of there stuff reach much to far, but * The Last Samarai* though in may have been
                      true or not had the ring of truth to it.

                      *Last of the Dogmen* was and always will be a standing classic,
                      Oh, I remember seeing *Brave heart* and thinking that given what I know and
                      don't know of that period (which by the way, fascinates me) it seemed very
                      true to events (though extremely overly compacted).

                      I was impressed with the geniunity (or do I mean sincerity) of * Henry the V*

                      HERE is one for you, Derek Jacobi was Chorus in Henry 1989 and
                      Pinochet in *Pinochet's last stand*.

                      I'll leave you with those and see if anyone else comes up with something
                      other than *Indiana Jones the Last Crusade* ( which I was enjoying yester-noon)

                      Randy
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