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Re: Red China's army
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 12:55 PMCome on someone out there??? The Red Chinia's army, WWII or/and after?
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Re: Red China's army
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 11:56 PMWell, you have to ask yourself: who would write such a thing? Leftists who admired Mao don't like armies, they prefer to focus on more life affirming features of Red China, like the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward. Right wingers always preferred Russian bugaboos (and, let's face it: even though Russia is a wreck, it's still more dangerous than China). Nobody, and I mean nobody who studies them today wants to piss off the modern Chinoises; write something vaguely critical of China or Chinese communism, and your access gets cut off. There's a book by Xiaobing Li -I haven't read it, but it appears to have this defect. This is, of course, unconscionable, considering how important the Chinese army is, and its peculiar role in China. From a history nerd perspective, the recent Soviet, Indian and Vietnamese wars with China were pretty interesting, in that they were more normal and natural wars than most of the ones you see these days. Pretty much a complete disaster for the Chinese on all three counts; their army was a fairly bad one. I suspect they had delusions of grandeur left over from the Korean war, forgetting they only did well with a Korean army and Soviet air superiority; and we still beat 'em.
It's also pretty nuts how close the Sovs came to nuking china in the early 60s.
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB49/
Anyway, I get most of my info about such things from FAS and Jane's Fighting Systems.
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Re: Red China's army
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 4:31 AMBoth the Indian and Vietnamese wars reached their objectives and withdrew according to Chinese plans (although the heavy losses in the Vietnam campaign embarrassed the army and let Deng assert civilian control), while actual fighting with the USSR was confined to skirmishes over a small island with small amounts of troops.
In the Korean War, there was no Soviet air superiority. The American air force ruled the skies and bombed at will, eventually flattening most structures in North Korea and killing a significant chunk of the population, while the Soviets avoided direct involvement. North Korean regular forces were beaten by the time Chinese troops entered, and were far outnumbered by the Chinese for the rest of the war. The Korean War was the first war since 1812 where the US suffered a major defeat, retreating 3/4 of the way down the peninsula and losing Seoul. Eventually the Chinese were fought to a standoff with great effort for two years.
From the Amazon review, Li's book makes a number of major criticisms of China. Anything in particular you think he is softpedaling?
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Re: Red China's army
Sat, July 28, 2007 - 1:40 AM -
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Re: Red China's army
Fri, August 3, 2007 - 11:24 PMThanks I'll see if I can get that book
Anyone else?
Patrick
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