This was brought up because as I listened to the Obama Speech (pre-inaugural) as to the
irony that Obama (a black man, son of a race which was formerly enslaved) gave his
speech in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
first off, I can only discuss this with you guys, secondly, I have no bones to pick with
blacks, nor with Abraham Lincoln, what toasts me is the fawning, love affair that Junior
High schools have with Lincoln and leave out the balance of truth.
Here it is. DID Lincoln actually say these quotes or not, the Speech my housemate and
I watched of Obama brought it up and I was challenged by said housemate that
my sources are lies, and prevarications.

Quote:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.

the one I assailed my housemates ears with was
Quote:


"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois" (September 18, 1858), pp. 145-146.




Go to google, type in Abraham Lincoln wikiquote, then click on the first hit,
press your "Page down" key four times to find the " whtie supremist " quote of
Lincoln,
just below it you will find:
"I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects---certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man. " The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "First Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Ottawa, Illinois" (August 21, 1858), p. 16.

It would have been a marvel to hear him speak and a dozen times more
wonderful to see the reactions he received of the people.
History tells us what is said, sometimes accurately, sometimes not, but
not how such words are recieved by the common public. We know
(sometimes) of the words of journalists, editors, politicians, "blowhards if you
will" but not how the farmer, the ranch hand and the sheriff saw these things.

ANYWISE, are these legitable quotes or forgeries.

Randy
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