WWII the missing pices

topic posted Sat, May 26, 2007 - 7:13 PM by  offlinePatrick

I've been a world war II buff for some time now, and have found a lot to read and watch on the subject. While there are some things there seem to be no end to meteal on, Pearla Harber, D_Day and so on, there are other I can find all most nothing about. These are:
1943 in the Pacific
China North of the Hump air fields
Red Chines after 1941
Russia after Kursk and before Berlen.

Any help Please?
Patrick
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Patrick
SF Bay Area
  • Re: WWII the missing pices

    Sat, May 26, 2007 - 9:25 PM
    Here's what happened in the Pacific in 1943:

    JANUARY
    2 U.S. and Australian troops take Buna.
    4 Japanese begin evacuation of Guadalcanal.
    12 U.S. begins moving into the Aleutians.
    22 Allies complete occupation of Papua (New Guinea).
    23 U.S. captures Mt. Austen (Guadalcanal).
    28 Unsuccessful Japanese attack on Wau (New Guinea).

    FEBRUARY
    1-8 Japanese evacuate Guadalcanal.
    9 U.S. complete occupation of Guadalcanal.
    14 Britain begins "Chindit" operations in Burma.

    MARCH
    3-5 Battle of the Bismarck Sea.
    5 Japan begins offensive up the Yangtze River (China).
    26 Battle of Komandarski Island (Bering Sea).

    APRIL
    7-12 Japanese air offensive in the Solomons and New Guinea.
    18 Admiral Yamamoto shot down over Bougainville (Solomons).

    MAY
    11 U.S. lands on Attu (Aleutians).
    14 British offensive in Burma ends in retreat.
    30 Attu secured.

    JUNE
    21-25 Allies land on New Georgia.
    29-30 Alles land in Nassau Bay (New Guinea).
    30 U.S. takes Rendova (Solomons).

    JULY
    5-6 Battle of Kula Gulf (Solomons).
    12 Battle of Kolombangara (Solomons).
    28 Japanese evacuate Kiska (Aleutians).

    AUGUST
    6-7 Battle of Vella Gulf (Solomons).
    15 U.S. and Canadian troops land on Kiska.
    28 End of Japanese resistance on New Georgia.

    SEPTEMBER
    4-5 Allies land near Lae (New Guinea).
    11 Japanese evacuate Salamaua (New Guinea).
    22 Australians land near Finschhafen (New Guinea).

    OCTOBER
    Stilwell's Chinese troops advance in Burma.
    2 Australians take Finschhafen.
    4 Japanese evacuate Kolombangara.
    6 Battle of Vella Lavella (off New Georgia).
    23-24 U.S. air raids on Rabaul.

    NOVEMBER
    1 U.S. Marines land on Bougainville.
    1-2 Battle of Empress Augusta Bay (Bougainville).
    20 U.S. Marines land on Tarawa and Makin (Gilberts).
    24-25 Battle of Cape St. George (New Georgia).
    29 Australians capture Gusika and Bonga (New Guinea).

    DECEMBER
    2 Australians capture Huanko (New Guinea).
    8 Australians take Warea (New Guinea).
    15 U.S. lands on Arawe Peninsula (New Britain).
    Australians take Lakona (New Guinea).
    26 U.S. forces take Cape Gloucester (New Britain).

    If I left anything important out, I'm sure someone will remind me.

    I'll let someone else answer the rest of your questions.

    • Re: WWII the missing pices

      Mon, May 28, 2007 - 10:34 PM
      Thank you.
      So many of the thing I've read or watched have just jump over this year, particuly the middel.

      The other hard one to get much on is China north of the USA air fields and in the Red Chiness parts.

      Patrick
  • Re: WWII the missing pieces

    Mon, May 28, 2007 - 11:08 PM
    On the Russian front there are many good histories on the late war period- one of my favorites is Earl Ziemke's "Stalingrad to Berlin: the German Defeat in the East."
  • Re: WWII the missing pices

    Tue, June 12, 2007 - 12:47 AM
    Patrick:

    If you haven't seen the BBC's "World at War" -you're missing out. It's astoundingly great, and covers much of the Russian and Pacific experience, as well as some of the suffering of China under the japanese occupation.

    As I understand things, the Red Chinese were not an important part of WW-2. Neither, really, was Chang Kai Chek. Both fought as little as possible to preserve themselves for their coming struggle. China, like most of Asia in those days, was as backwards as Africa. Not much of an economy to base a large active army on.

    -Lupo
    • Re: WWII the missing pices

      Tue, June 12, 2007 - 2:21 PM
      Over a million Japanese troops were tied up in China, so I would have to say that the Chinese contribution to the war was significant.

      www.answers.com/topic/list...panese-army

      The largest battle the U.S. fought in the Pacific was on Okinawa, and only 100,000 Japanese were involved.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_okinawa
      • Re: WWII the missing pices

        Wed, June 13, 2007 - 5:49 PM
        <i>"Over a million Japanese troops were tied up in China, so I would have to say that the Chinese contribution to the war was significant."</i>

        Nonsense on stilts. Just because there were Japanese people in China doesn't mean the Chinese were doing anything. You might make the opposite argument. There were also many Japanese in other parts of Asia, such as Korea. Why don't you tell me about the Korean "front" -I'll tell you why you won't: because there wasn't one.

        Anyway, you said as much in your next post. I sometimes wonder if you don't simply reply to me out of spite.

        -Lupo
        • Re: WWII the missing pices

          Wed, June 13, 2007 - 6:08 PM
          In the years 1942-45, the Chinese were mainly fighting each other . . . the great battles with the Japanese occurred earlier in the war . . .

          boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa

          However, the presence of hostile Chinese armies tied up Japanese forces and made the U.S. role that much easier.

          >>There were also many Japanese in other parts of Asia, such as Korea.

          About 2 million troops were reserved to defend the homeland, which included Korea. Naturally, these were not the best troops. One reason for maintaining such a large force was the presence of Soviet Armies in Siberia.
          • Re: WWII the missing pices

            Wed, June 13, 2007 - 11:47 PM
            >>In the years 1942-45, the Chinese were mainly fighting each other . . . the great battles with the Japanese occurred earlier in the war . . .

            I'll agree with that. After all, it was the manchurian conflict we cut off Japan's oil supply over. But, the manchurian war was not part of WW-2, any more than Mussolini's invasion of Ethiopia was.

            I wish some of my Korean buddies were here to witness you calling Korea a part of the Japanese homeland. I know it was part of the greater east asian co-prosperity sphere and all, but, I mean, really...

            -Lupo
            • Re: WWII the missing pices

              Thu, June 14, 2007 - 12:43 AM
              >>I wish some of my Korean buddies were here to witness you calling Korea a part of the Japanese homeland.

              It also included Taiwan.
              • Re: WWII the missing pices

                Thu, June 14, 2007 - 12:01 PM

                Here's an ENORMOUS missing piece. The story of Japanese atrocities and grisly human experimentation with biowarfare agents and live vivasection in the Nanking region of China by their code-unit 731. This is all well documented and was published a few years back called THE RAPE OF NANKING. I think the author's name was Ang Lee?

                Anyway, the information they collected was of such military importance to the U.S. that a deal was struck at the highest levels of goverment. You give us your data and we won't prosocute you for war-crimes. We DID have a sort of Nurenberg trial of Japanese leaders after WW2 and ended-up hanging General Yamashita and Tojo but those fucking scientists got away with murder literally. And some of these experiments were on our own guys.

                It is interesting to note that not only is this book ILLEGAL to sell in Japan, but that Japanese schoolkids are told that this is all antijapanese propaganda. It is not mentioned in ANY Japanese history textbook. Furthermore, the 731 guys went on to become well-respected citizens and buisness leaders of major Japanese corporations.

                This is a MAJOR missing piece if there ever was one.

                Swaz

                PS. I'll get back to the quiz thing soon. I've just been lazy.
                • Re: WWII the missing pices

                  Thu, June 14, 2007 - 12:35 PM
                  "Anyway, the information they collected was of such military importance to the U.S. that a deal was struck at the highest levels of goverment."

                  If that were the case, we never would have prosecuted the Nazis either -America got a lot more out of them than the Japanese. There are probably two big (and obvious) reasons why war crimes tribunals didn't go after Japanese people as aggressively as they did the Germans. The foremost: the Japanese didn't have a war with the Soviets (communists always liked that kind of bombastic "trial" -making it look like they were moral people who meted out justice when they executed their enemies), and the Japanese people and their victims weren't seen as full-fleged human beings because they looked different than the honkey victors of WW-2. If there were war crimes trials of similar magnitude to Nuremberg in Japan, the emperor would surely have been hanged along with Tojo.

                  You can see the same effect today; modern day academics and leftists poo-poo the hundreds of millions dead in Asia under communism, while twittering away that Nazi pork butchers or Fascists (as dead a movement, really as Bonapartism) are a clear and present danger, right around the corner, and hiding behind every redneck's NASCAR posters.

                  -Lupo
                • Re: WWII the missing pices

                  Thu, June 14, 2007 - 12:55 PM
                  Controversy flared up again in 1982, when the Japanese Ministry of Education censored any mention of the Nanking Massacre in a high school textbook. The reason given by the ministry was that the Nanking Massacre was not a well-established historical event. The author of the textbook, Professor Saburō Ienaga, sued the Ministry of Education in an extended case, which was won by the plaintiff in 1997.

                  www.answers.com/topic/nanking-massacre
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                    Re: WWII the missing pices

                    Thu, June 14, 2007 - 6:12 PM
                    My father fought in WWII against the Japanese, and of all the things he could not forgive, it was the brutal treatment of US POWs. Until the day he died, he hated the Japanese with such a passion, no one really wanted to raise the issue in polite company since he would absolutely loose all control. He could never forgive them for the things they had done during the war, and he had a resentment against the politicians who allowed the Japanese war criminals to become the ruling elite of Japan with a wink and a nod.
                    • Re: WWII the missing pices

                      Thu, June 14, 2007 - 6:41 PM

                      "The foremost: the Japanese didn't have a war with the Soviets"

                      Hey Lupo, basically everything you said is right on the money. I almost got in a fistfight with a dude in school one time because he said that Mao never killed anybody. It's always Hitler is the most genocidal, when in actuality he's third behind Stalin, and then Mao. But You are wrong on one fact in your last post. Although the Soviets only fought the Japanese for about a week in August of 45, they still occupy the Northernmost Japanese islands. The Kureil Islands? Something like that. But if you look at globes and maps there is a funny footnote about that territory. It says something like Occupied by Russia, claimed by Japan. Something like that. There has even been talk of returning the islands to Japan in return for hard currency but talks never ammounted to anything.

                      Sorry. Couldn't help being a big fucking smartypants! Hahaha

                      Swaz


                      Oh and to whoever started the post, you might also find anything about Russian Marshall Zhukov interesting reading. He had what were called "Penal Battalions" comprised of Russian political prisoners. If they ran into a mine-field, they'd bring these poor bastards up and give them a gun with one bullet in it. Then they'd be told to march or die. That was the RUSSIAN way of breaching a mine field.
                      • Re: WWII the missing pices

                        Fri, June 15, 2007 - 4:15 PM
                        Swaz:
                        Yeah, I knew someone was going to mention comrade Stalin's great four day contribution to the Pacific war; two days after we nuked Hiroshima. Sakhalin island is the name of the place (Kuril islands also). A friend of mine lived there for a while; her dad was a big shot in the Soviet air force. Apparently, it's real pretty, almost completely undeveloped land. They deported all the Japanese and Ainus who lived there, and moved in Russian convicts and Koreans who lived in the Soviet state. Koreans have lived in russian land for hundreds of years; saw a cool film on it called Koryo-Saram or some such thing.

                        I'm sure you can find all kinds of communist brutality on the books (some frenchies made a catalog: black book of communism -ignored of course). Hell, they were brutes in places as good natured as Italy. The fascists came to power in part because the Italians were ill-treated by the allies, but I think mostly because the communists were killing people in the villages who they labeled as "capitalists." A capitalist in an Italian village in 1919 was probably some guy who sold eggs from the chickens who ran around his house. I'd like to punch most of the dipshits who run around with Mao or Che on their t-shirts as well.

                        Incidentally, communism has always been with humanity, whenever things become too civilized. You might try googling around on Mazdakism -one of the most brutal and inhuman forms of communism, dating from the 400's in the Persian empire. Up Kohzru; he knew what to do!

                        -Lupo
        • Re: WWII the missing pices

          Thu, August 9, 2007 - 5:03 AM
          The recent revisionist Mao biography by Jung Chang and husband has a good deal of material on the war. Keep in mind that everything is presented in order to make Mao look worse than even any of the participants here can imagine, but it is an interesting read. According to the authors, the Japanese did not even intend to invade central China in 1937 and were planning to just bite off another manageable piece of the north including Beijing, and Chiang Kai-shek would not have resisted, but a Nationalist general who was really a Communist mole insisted on attacking the Japanese in Shanghai and drew them into a full-scale war, on orders from Stalin to keep the Japanese too busy to attack Russia. Next, they say that the Nationalist army did put up considerable resistance, inflicted significant losses on the Japanese, and kept the bulk of the Japanese army tied down, while Mao dragged his feet as much as possible against Stalin's orders to make up with Chiang Kai-shek and concentrate on fighting the Japanese, instead making a tacit deal for much of the war that let the Japanese control the railroads in north China and the Communists spread into the villages. Finally, the threat of American planes based in China led the Japanese to launch a large offensive late in the war to occupy even more of southern China, which was successful but at considerable cost.

          Korea at the time was well-integrated in the Japanese empire, with the younger generation educated in Japanese. Only a few exiled Korean guerrillas fought Japan, while Japan was able to utilize millions of Korean workers for war production and even as guards for POW camps etc. Japan's uncompleted nuclear program was executed entirely in Korea, not that far from where North Korea's nuclear center is today. Manchuria had considerable guerrilla resistance, but the Japanese were able to quickly industrialize it to feed the Japanese war economy. In contrast, China proper was always hostile territory and a drain on Japan. Most of the occupied Southeast Asian countries also offered little guerrilla resistance, one exception being the Chinese in Malaya.

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